I'll try to be more precise now.
Bleach chapter 12 page 11
Rukia: "I TOLD YOU THAT A ZANPAKUTOU CLEANSES SINS WITH A SLASH, AND THAT'S HOW HOLLOWS GO TO SOUL SOCIETY... BUT NOT EVERY HOLLOW IS ABLE TO GO TO SOUL SOCIETY. THIS IS BECAUSE THE ZANPAKUTOU CAN CLEANSE ONLY THE SINS COMMITTED AFTER THE SPIRIT HAS BECOME A HOLLOW! HOLLOWS WHO'VE COMMITTED TERRIBLE SINS DURING LIFE ARE DOOMED TO BE YIELDED UP UNTO HELL'S LOT."

Bleach episode 5:
Rukia: "THE SOUL SLAYER CAN ONLY WASH AWAY SINS AFTER DEATH. FOR HOLLOWS WHO'VE COMMITTED MORTAL SINS IN LIFE THE GATES OF HELL WILL OPEN."

What I wanted to say about resurrecting Ulquiorra is that if Orihime wants to bring him back just because she will miss him that is pointless. Being a Hollow and eating souls to fill emptiness is terrible. Why should she bring him back to this miserable existence? He could be happier in SS. With his reiatsu maybe he could become a Shinigami. If she wants to see him she can do it in SS.

 I have a feeling that Orihime's powers and her policy "all life is precious" will be used by Aizen to fulfil his plan...

Well yeah, that's why I said "Mortal Sins" is a good term to use, because by definition, "Mortal" sins, "Kill" your Soul, so if you have no Soul, you have no place in Soul Society, but anyway. . .


Uuuummmm. . . Hold up, BerryBoy and ALL the Vs are hollows and I don't see them going around chewing on souls! I also don't think I've seen any Es going around munchin on Soul~Food either, but I think that's a choice thing! LOL! I'm pretty sure when you get to that level, if you want, you can just suck up ambient spirit particles, "to fill the emptiness", the same way QueerRobinHood does to make his bow and arrows. Also if U-Boy turned over to the "good" side, he's just like Ms. 6B and would be one of the great allies. We need to keep in mind as well, that after all the Es are fucked and gone, who is gonna rule over and take care of SpicLand with all the big bad hollows? So I again, don't think, "pointless" applies here.

I kinda agree and think that  PerkyT somehow fits into A-Hole's master plan somehow.  

@ CM:
You have a point.
As I recall Vizards eat normal food, just like people with high reiatsu in SS.
And I remember Nel talking about having dinner with Pesche Guatiche and
Dondochaka. (I asume that the dishes weren't made from Hollows  )

I think that resurrecting Ulquiorra might be a part of Aizen's plan. Ulquiorra
doesn't have to become Ichigo's ally.
I have a feeling that Orihime might be a double-edged sword.

@Fu:
Yeah, I was seriously bothered by the fact that A-Hole went to the trouble of kidnapping her, sacrificed a bunch of his men to keep her then it seems that he just says fuck it leave her here and lets go take over the Univerese. So I'm definately thinking she's part of his plan, but I really don't think it involves bringing back U-Boy, cuz what use would he be to A-Hole if he couldn't beat Berry?

I definately think its something else, directly related to her powers and I'm thinking maybe actually "opening" the gate to the King's realm or maybe "creating" the gate that he's making the "key" for with all the Souls and "spiritually rich" area of K-Town.

Yeah, Vizards are just Shinigami with Hollow-like powers, so they don't consume souls like ordinary Hollow do. If you think back to Ichigo's Vizard training, Mashiro and Hachi went to pick up lunch. I know that it's not a memorable detail, but I remember it because when they came back to the Vizards' warehouse, Ichigo and Hiyori were fighting, LOL!

Ordinary Hollows feed on human souls, both living and dead. They search for the most potent souls. When human souls are no longer enough to fill the void, they become part of the cannibalistic Hollow sub-group, known as the Menos. A Gillian-class Menos is created when hundreds of newly cannibalistic Hollows devour each other all at once. Gillian, who manage to retain individuality, eat other Gillian in order to advance to the Adjuchas-class. To reach the Vasto Lorde-class, Adjuchas need to devour other Adjuchas. I’m not sure if the Vasto Lorde-class Menos are cannibalistic, like the lower class Menos, but as you can see, ordinary Hollows eat human souls and once they become part of the Menos sub-group they’re cannibals.

Arrancars are Hollows with Shinigami-like powers. They haven't eaten human souls since they were ordinary Hollows and they stopped being cannibalistic when their Menos evolution ceased. One Shinigami-like ability that they gain is intelligence. They can now sustain their level of strength without devouring human souls or their own kind. Yammy is the only exception. He has a unique ability called Gonzui, which allows him to suck in human souls. Gonzui is one of the ways in which he can gain enough energy to release his Resurrección.


Agreed, I don't think so either.

Yeah that's kinda what I was thinking about, basically each side has the power's of the other like S+H skills and H+S skills (Es), but with Berry, if it "just powers", then what's the whole deal with "True H" Form? Yeah, its a big power up and all, but doesn't that make him a Shinigami and a real "True" H and do the Vs have that too, not just the possessor of those powers or is  the term "Form", that is used, kinda like the almighty loophole? LOL!

A Vizard's Full Hollow form, which Ichigo and all of the other Vizards have, is the complete physical Hollowfied transformation of their body caused by their Inner Hollow. In this form, their Inner Hollow is in control and their appearance is how their Inner Hollow looks on the outside. For example, Ichigo's lizard-like Full Hollow form is how Hollow Ichigo would look outside of Ichigo's Inner World.

They are too strong to be classified as ordinary Hollows and they don't feed on human souls. Also, even though they might resemble Adjuchas, the second class of the Menos sub-group, and have the same level of strength as well as utilize the same powers or abilities as them, they are not cannibalistic and their being was never formed by a conglomeration of Hollows. In this fully physical hollowfied state, it's as if they are their own sub-group of Hollow. Their Inner Hollow's power mirrors their inborn Shinigami power, thus allowing them to become this strong without the need to devour human souls and other Hollows.

Wait, that makes sense, about the controlling part and everything else, but the Vs are only M hollow class strength, not A or actually E class, cuz aren't the Es above your averarge A class or the very top of the A class, kinda like the direct parallel to the capts of S.S.  and  they have Gami powers too? Cuz if that's true, then the Es should actually be quite a bit stronger than the Vs, unless the weakness the Vs have in hollow level is the same weakness that Es have in S level?

In Full Hollow form, Yes. However, in Vizard form they are stronger.

Their Vizard form, in which they just don their Hollow mask, gives them more control and a better balance between their Shinigami powers and their Hollow powers. The strength of this form allows them to fight on par with the Arrancar. Remember how close in strength Ichigo’s Vizard form was to Grimmjow’s Resurrección?

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There is a difference between Shinigami military ranks and Arrancar military ranks that can easily be overlooked or misunderstood. I hope this explanation clarifies things.

Shinigami ranks are fixed, which means that the level of strength required to become a Captain, just as an example, does not change. This is because there is a set standard for what level of strength signifies Captain-class. In other words, the bar for Captain-class strength has been set and it can’t be moved.

If there are Shinigami who are stronger than the rank of Captain, they don’t reset the bar, they’re just above it and referred to as however strong they are above Captain-class. (i.e. Twice the strength of a Captain or 2x Captain-class for short.)

Arrancar ranks are not fixed, which means that the level of strength required to become an Espada, once again just as an example, does change. This is because there isn’t a set standard for what level of strength signifies Espada-class. The rank is just given to the top ten strongest Arrancar.

On one hand, they could be as weak as Di Roy and still get the rank of Espada if there aren’t any Arrancar who are stronger than them. On the other hand, I’ve never heard of an Arrancar who was 2x Espada-class. That’s because when stronger Arrancar are created, they raise the bar for Espada-class higher, instead of being placed above the bar. This instance is what causes some Arrancar to fall from the rank of Espada to the rank of Privaron Espada and raise it as well.

Nice answer, but I was referring to what you said about them having Menos strength, but wouldn't it be Arrancar strength and the Shinigami thing is what puts them on par with the Espada?

No, the Full Hollow form is too far on the Hollow side the spectrum, therefore, that form just shows the strength of their Hollow, not both sources of power in an evenly balanced manner.

The problem with all of this power gauging is that we've never seen an Arrancar take the form of a Full Shinigami. That form would be the adjacent of the Full Hollow form. Also, people get confused between being classifications and military ranks.

That I didn't know and THNX, but it still doesn't answer what I was asking. Here is what I was refering to:
Wouldn't they be classified as having the H level power of an Arrancar subgroup?

Okay, the best way to explain this concept is to first give a general explanation regarding what the tick marks, arrows, and letters represent and then, apply examples to these two figures in order to show how this works. Examples would include some characters’ forms and the power of these forms.

Figure 1:

Let’s start with figure 1. Figure 1 is titled the “Basic Power Spectrum” and it displays a white tick mark on the far left, a black tick mark on the far right, as well as a gray tick mark in the middle.

Figure 2:

Key:
H=Hollow form,
A=Arrancar form,
V=Vizard form,
S=Shinigami form,
FH=Full Hollow form,
(FS=Full Shinigami form - never been shown before)

Forgive me, this is the first time I'm trying to fully illustrate this spectrum, so please help me if there is something you don't understand. (Note: Alright, I did some work on it. Tell me how it looks. I'm working on the explanation now.)

Yeah, I guess we were saying the same thing. So basically you used the "Menos" refrence as a correlatory analogy not neccesarily an objective refrence point!

Hold up though, when Berry went TH, isn't that when he had the greatest power, the only thing that decreased was his ability to control and the fact that he kinda went bat shit crazy? I mean yeah it does go back to the "balance thing, but in his case, isn't it just the ability to cope and control, while being a TH? Well if I think about it, that would go back to his S skills, but IDK, I'm thinking it more of a personal thing like dealing with your "inner demons". LOL!

Also siince I don't do the manga thing here's another Q? All the Vs have been shown being engulfed or swallowed in large part by that white shit (H mask I'm assuming), has that ever been shown on Berry?

@CM:

In this question Are you referring to the time when Vizards changed into Hollows in SS during the Turn Back the Pendulum arc?

I think that Ichigo's VL form is just a manifestation of the fact that his Inner Hollow is getting stronger. I remember that Hollow-Ichigo siad that he will be waiting for a chance to take over. Maybe Ichigo has to go through the Vs training again. But I don't think that anyone from Vizards would be able to face him without dying. They had a hard time facing his first Hollow form.
Well now he has to gain control over his inner Hollow in combat. Maybe while fighting with Aizen.