Yeah, he's referring to that and the answer is in the last frame on Page 24 of Ch. 62, which corresponds with Ep. 19 of the anime.

@Tou & Fu:

Yeah, Tou's right.  Cuz when the Vs got Hollowfucked and I'm assuming that was their true H form, they went banshee spaz too just like Ichi did and tried killing everything, friend or foe. I just wanted to know if they showed him getting swallowed by the white shit and if the Vs went through the same shit with their true H form, I'm guessing some type of wisdom or wise words from them are gonna help him, not actually "training".

Ch. 381: “Words Just Don’t Like You” Intel!

The Garganta from last chapter is now open and it’s ready. Captain Kurotsuchi and Nemu each hold up a dark colored sphere on either side of the Garganta to stabilize it. Ichigo and Captain Unohana stand in front of it and wait for instructions.

Mayuri tells them that he won’t guide them through, but he warns them that they should be careful. If they take one wrong step, as they go back the way they came, they will be stuck between Earth and Hueco Mundo forever. Ichigo pauses for a moment and thinks back to when Urahara opened the Garganta for his entry into Hueco Mundo. He mentions Kurotsuchi studying under Urahara, since he’s the second Head of Research & Development and Mayuri gets annoyed.

Ichigo and Unohana jump through the Garganta’s opening while Mayuri mutters something about how he thought it would have been fun to lock Ichigo inside. He changes his mind and decides to instill fear in Ichigo after the war is over. Byakuya just looks at him and Nemu says that she will devise a plan.

As they make their way through the Garganta, Captain Unohana asks Ichigo about what happened when he fought Aizen at Soukyoku Hill. Ichigo tells her that Aizen was unbelievably strong and he wasn’t even using his Shikai. Unohana gives a cheerful response and says that Ichigo was lucky. Ichigo doesn’t quite understand yet, so she continues. She informs Ichigo that he is the only one who can fight against Aizen now. Ichigo’s eyes widen. Unohana goes on to say that she will tell Ichigo about Aizen’s zanpakutou, Kyouka Suigetsu, with regards to its powers and what conditions summon them.

Meanwhile, back in Hueco Mundo, Yammy and Kenpachi continue their fight. Kenpachi chops off three fingers on Yammy’s right hand. He runs up Yammy’s arm planning on going for Yammy’s head next. Byakuya watches them fight and then, he directs his attention toward Mayuri. He asks him why he chose to stay in Hueco Mundo and Mayuri replies that the corpses in Hueco Mundo are currently more interesting. He also adds that when the war is over and the Garganta opens again, he can go to Earth and take his time examining all of the corpses that are there. Byakuya says that by what Mayuri said it seems like he believes that Ichigo can end the war. Mayuri says that he didn’t expect Byakuya to say that either.

Switching back to inside the Garganta, Unohana states that Kyouka Suigetsu’s illusionary powers are unleashed when Aizen’s opponent sees its Shikai and everyone whom can be considered a possible opponent for Aizen has seen it, except for Ichigo. She explains that this is Ichigo’s advantage over Aizen. He has Captain-class reiatsu and has never seen Aizen’s Shikai. If Ichigo were to lose this advantage, then the war would be over. Lastly, Unohana tells him that, no matter what happens, he must not look at Aizen’s Shikai. Ichigo takes the info that Unohana has given him as a pep talk and declares that he will defeat Aizen.

Well, I'm going to put my finger on this thread basing my sentences solely on the Anime shown so far:


BTW, SPOILERS AHEAD... ... Just in case ^___^

in "Fade to Black" and in the "Save Rukia" arc, if I'm not mistaken, Ukitake mentions, in both parts, that "one of" the intruders releases a reiatsu with an equal level of a captain...

Ichigo, at the Arc point only had his katana unsheaded, not even knowing, (at least not myself) if it was already in shikai form... ...

If Releasing his bankai makes him as powerful as Aizen, then maybe, he's as powerful as "two captains", although Aizen has received "intensive training" while living in Seiretei, Ichigo had to get the ropes the hard way.

Thus, his battles take longer as he goes through the whole "real combat experience" while Aizen already has the ropes, even already possessing the power to release Kidou Spells above lvl70 without the enchantment to give them full power...

Two more things though: 1st: forgive me for any miss-used word;
and 2nd: As I said, these sentences are based on the Anime episodes released so far...

Any of these sentences is open for discussion/dissection as I always say

That's right ZC, Ichigo's lack of experience will always be a disadvantage, especially if he fights someone as crafty as Aizen.

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Ch. 382: "The United Front (Discordeque Mix)" Intel!

As Unohana continues to follow Ichigo through the Garganta, she notices that pieces are breaking off of the path created by Ichigo’s reiatsu. She asks him if she should walk in front of him and Ichigo says that she doesn’t need to worry about him using up his reiatsu. Of course, this matter wasn’t up for discussion and Unohana wasn’t going to take “No” as an answer. She repeats the question with her “scary face,” which causes Ichigo to apologize and yield.

Unohana steps in front of him and creates her path. It’s so smooth and clean that it sparkles. Ichigo is amazed at the difference and compliments the use her Captain-class reiatsu to make the path. In response to his admiring comment, she tells Ichigo that his reiatsu isn’t that much different. Next, she says that his wounds seem to be healed, but maybe he’s just not suited for the task due to his “rough” reiatsu.

Ichigo quickly replies that if his reiatsu were at full strength he’d do better. Unohana laughs and believes that he’s just talking nonsense. However, Ichigo says that it’s not nonsense and it’s not a joke. He points to, the only remaining part of his Shihakusho, his right sleeve and explains that the Shihakusho that he wears in his Bankai state is actually part of it because when he releases his Bankai his Shihakusho changes and it’s usually repaired when Inoue rejects his wounds. But recently, it has only been repaired little by little. He asked Orihime about it and she told him that she can “heal” wounds quickly, but it takes longer to replenish reiatsu. So, Ichigo claims that since he was in a hurry to save Rukia and the others, his reiatsu didn’t fully replenish.

Captain Unohana turns and thinks, that’s impossible, but not even half of his Shihakusho remains right now. Is he really only at half strength? Was I just under the illusion that his reiatsu must be at full strength because it was comparable to a Captain’s? She looks at Ichigo and says that he should go in front after all, so she can replenish the rest of his reiatsu as they continue to travel through the Garganta. Ichigo asks if she can really do that and she confirms that she can. Unohana explains to Ichigo that when healing with Kidou, the patient’s reiatsu is restored first, so that it can help the healer’s reiatsu heal the patient’s body. Restoring reiatsu, after the body is already healed, is not a problem. They switch places again and Captain Unohana wonders, if his reiatsu is really only at half strength, then he might be “the trump card” we need.

Back in Hueco Mundo, Captain Zaraki chops off another one of Yammy’s legs and he falls to the ground with his tail in the air. Kenpachi thinks that Yammy’s done, so he tells Byakuya that he can finish him off. He gave Captain Kuchiki the offer because he thought that Byakuya was bored just standing there and that maybe he would want to fight a bit, but Byakuya refuses and says that he’s not going to clean up Kenpachi’s mess. Zaraki tells Byakuya that he doesn’t like killing weaklings, so just do it. Byakuya still refuses and says that a savage, such as Zaraki, is better suited for the task.

Yammy’s hand comes crashing down between them and they both glare at him. He gets up, charges a Cero, and fires it at them. Both of them evade it and they challenge each other to a competition. Byakuya releases his Bankai and Kenpachi runs toward him. Yammy sticks his face right between them and they attack him shouting, “You’re in my way. Get Lost!!!”

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(Note: Tite Kubo is taking a break, so we'll have to wait an extra week for the next chapter.)

@ Tou: Thank you for your summaries  

I have some thoughts about creating Bleach and Ichigo's reistsu.

From the interviews with Kubo Tite that I have read (for example: http://manga.about.com/od/mangaartistinterviews/a/TiteKubo_2.htm) it appears that the first thing Kubo Tite creates is a character, how it looks like and stuff like that. So technically there is no long-term plan about what will happen in Bleach. Some ideas came to him early (when he was drawing Ichigo for the first time, he knew that Ichigo's dad is a Shinigami) and others after some time of drawing the manga (for example the hierarchy in SS).
Because of that I find Bleach very interesting. In all how-to-make-manga-handbooks they say that you have to have a plan to start creating your manga. And when it comes to Bleach the creator didn't have such plan. He just started drawing and created something so long, complicated and interesting. Wow!

And that is why in  Bleach discussions and dissections we mostly state our opinions.
And thanks to those discussions many things about Bleach cleared in my head.

Thank you CM, Tou, Zeroc0ol and The Crew for spending your time on talking about Bleach with me  

After reading the Chapter 381 I thought: Great, Ichigo Isn't as all other main characters, he has the advantage over Aizen because he didn't see his Shikai, not because Ichigo is the strongest and all main characters have to be the strongest. Now the story is more interesting. It is not so schematic as the other stories like that...
And then the chapter 382 came out...
So now it turns out that Ichigo is the strongest Aizen's opponent. Ok...

When I was thinking about Ichigo's reiatsu I followed Ishida's analogy of a faucet. Chapter 49 page 15-18.
"KUROSAKI'S POWER IS INCREASING RAPIDLY... (..) ISN'T IT MAXING OUT ALL THE TIME?  IF YOU THINK THAT, LOGICALLY IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN. NO MATTER HOW HIGH YOUR POWER IS, IF YOU ARE CONSTANTLY GIVING FULL POWER YOUR SPIRIT POWER WILL DRY OUT. IF HE CAN'T CONTROL HIS POWER, IT MEANS HE IS NOT USING HIS POWER. IF YOU TURN A WATER TAP AND A LARGE QUANTITY OF WATER COMES OUT, MOST PEOPLE WILL INSTINCTIVELY CLOSE THE TAP. IF HE IS THE SAME WAY... KUROSAKI ICHIGO HIS REGULAR SPIRIT POWER IS IN IT'S LOWEST POSSIBLE STATE... IF ANY OUTSIDE FORCE TURNS HIS TAP OPEN..."

When it comes to Ichigo's reiatsu it changes with time. Every battle is an experience which turns his tap open more and more.
Being at a captains level isn't something solid and unchanging. Hitsugaya is a captain but he still has a lot of potential to develop.

In chapter 382 Unohana says: "WAS I JUST UNDER THE ILLUSION THAT HIS REIATSU MUST BE AT FULL STRENGTH BECAUSE IT WAS COMPARABLE TO A CAPTAIN'S?"

It seems that sensing reiatsu isn't such a simple thing. Besides no one keeps his faucet turned on to the maximum (according to Ishida's reasoning).
 I think that perception of reiatsu can be similar to the human perception of sound...

"Human hearing and other senses operate quite well in a relative sense. That is, people perceive properties of sound such as pitch and intensity and make relative comparisons. Moreover, people make these comparisons over an enormous dynamic range: they can listen to two people whispering in a quiet auditorium and determine which person is whispering the loudest. During a rock concert in the same auditorium, attendees can determine which vocalist is singing the loudest. However, once the rock concert is in progress, they can no longer hear someone whispering! Senses can adapt to a wide range of conditions, but can make relative comparisons only over a fairly narrow range." http://cnx.org/content/m15439/latest/
 

You're welcome Fu.

No matter how much reiatsu Ichigo has, his lack of control will always prevent him from focusing it properly. Therefore, it is "rough" and utilizing reiatsu to create a path consisting of reishi will never be a task suited for Ichigo. The path he made this time looked exactly the same as the one he made before. If the path improves while he's regaining his reiatsu, then we'll know that he's capable of doing a better job. Until then, I agree with Unohana's initial reaction.

As for Ichigo's reiatsu increasing, Ishida's faucet analogy will always apply. *typing/editing...*


I anticipated that was going to happen and it's funny that it did, LOL!! Due to this competition of theirs, they unintentionally double teamed Yammy.

Misinterpretations/Failure to comprehend clearly

Let's start with one of the biggest mistranslations you make (and continue to use) throughout this discussion.

I state:


You state:


Please do understand that when I state "most of them are humans" I am specifically referring to Ichigo's friends and the comments they make about him during the first 50 or so chapters and in the SS arc. I am NOT referring to any shinigami in this remark. What's worse is I even explained this here by referencing several humans that have commented on Ichigo's reiatsu:


At no point did I assert that shinigami and humans are equivalent. In fact, you should have noticed this when I explicitly followed through with the previous comment, stating:


Please note that ALL of these characters mentioned are shinigami. You should have been able to understand and comprehend that the subject of this sentence "Those who have mentioned his power" refers to shinigami and this separation was added to separate the humans from the shinigami characters. Ergo, your entire assumption between whether I know the difference between what a shinigami and human character is, is not only riddled with fallacious content but pretty much dents one of the major points of your rebuttal(s).

Continuing on...


Again, you use straw man to take my comments out of context. Please do not put words in my mouth. I acknowledged that people have made comments regarding Ichigo's reiatsu in respect to their own as a form of self-comparison. Particularly, I focused on the humans[/u] who have done so and explained that most of the captains have only classified his reiatsu as 'captain-level' and nothing special that would indicate it was twice a captain's reiatsu which is the entire point of my post which you have seemingly failed to pick up on for 5+ rebuttals.







Anyways, i thought it would be fun to respond seriously to a couple of your fallacies for sport.

Before I do so, though, I'd like to enlighten you in regards to my analysis and debating style. I often use devil's advocate to probe the specifics of a certain point. In other words, I am able to look at a debate from both angles...you know, something you should have been able to do at an early point in your college education. That is the difference between biased and unbiased points of view. I am able to do it in such a fashion that most people perceive that my opinion on subject x is so strong that I would never think about opinion y presented by another person (or as seen as the opposite of subject x). In reality, I could have written my first post in terms of Kubo's ability to focus on the larger picture which is the reason why most of his work is so interesting.

So I'm aware you probably do not understand what that means. Simply put: when I write such a biased and opinionated analysis (like I have done so in this post), I automatically know the correct rebuttal to that point. You have yet to even come close to said appropriate rebuttal in any of your posts. :\ The sad aspect is that I have even shown hints of my ability to play devil's advocate:


All of these quotes demonstrate (and even GIVE you the material required to formulate an appropriate rebuttal) that I am playing devil's advocate. The bolded one should probably be given the most attention and I'll explain that towards the end.




Now for the fun!


You did not read my posts, clearly. Maybe it's just a habit of yours to comment without reading? I can definitely see that being the case seeing how you cannot even refer to the characters by their proper names let alone analyze one of my rebuttals properly.


First, please look up the definition of straw man fallacy because you do not understand it. I provided a link to 42 popular fallacies at the beginning of this post. Second, please do not contradict yourself (yet again):


by bringing irrelevant crap into this discussion (you know, like you claimed I have done). My father is a retired detective and my mother still works as an oncologist. That must mean I'm an expert when it comes to solving homicides and determining whether someone has a cancerous or benign tumor. Irrelevant and fallacious much?

Please note the bolded part. You clearly do not understand what art is. You should have paid more attention when taking such lowly electives like humanities. You also probably should have paid attention to writing argumentative-style papers in English or, at the very least, listened when your professor discussed fallacies (which really should have been done in high school).

Now let me tell you what art is. Art's essence is in the eye of the beholder. You do not accept PMA. That's fine. That's your opinion. Art IS opinion. But by stating that you do not believe in PMA, you suggest that you believe that we are not in the era of PMA but rather in the era of modernism still. If that be the case, please read up on Benjamin:

http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/benjamin.htm

Since I know you won't (because I'm pretty sure your level of reading comprehension is not sufficient to comprehend most of the ideology in his essay), let's just state that you have no idea as to what any work of art entails. Simply put, you are yet another Senator Jesse Helms:

http://www.bigredandshiny.com/ourdailyred/posts/2008-07/images/2008-07-07-162010-1823587-1.jpg

I'm also pretty sure you won't understand the pun as it relates to you in that piece. :|


Sorry but you are not in a higher level of education. From the looks of it, you have barely stepped out of high school. Proof? I'm a math major yet I am still able to retain knowledge from these lowly elective classes that have nothing to do with my major.

Your first error? You dismiss the academic value of these lowly elective classes even though you clearly have not taken anything away from them (assuming you have even taken them to begin with). You attempt to put on a straight face when discussing art yet you say there is no merit in a class that discusses art. This implies that you really are speaking out of your rear when discussing anything related to art at a scholarly level. Therefore, you must be using your own opinions to come up with a definition for what you believe art to be. Perhaps your father can help you better understand what I just said in terms of art.

Second, you reference psychiatry here:


Do you understand what psychiatry is? I don't think you do because if you did you surely would not have classified it with psychology and sociology.

Now for the irony: psychology and sociology are actually very interesting subjects and correlate quite closely to the humanities[/u]: said to be 'sister' sciences. Perhaps you do not understand anything about art because you also do not understand anything about psychology or sociology?


Your 'point' is so riddled with fallacies and illogical remarks/contradictions that I doubt anyone is able to understand it clearly.


This is where your true colors show, though. If you knew what art is you would know that art is always subjected to opinions by anyone who views it, ESPECIALLY true for 'visual arts' (correct terms being video art, performance art, installation, cinematography, and so forth). Let's break it down:


And you do have the credentials?   That's very humorous. Like I've pointed out, you would not group sociology and psychology (social sciences) into psychiatry (something that has nothing to do with what we are talking about). In other words, you brought up psychiatry in an attempt


It sucks when your own words can be used against you doesn't it? Psychiatry is linked to medicine (most notably prescribing medications to patients with a variety of mental disorders). It has no place in a discussion involving social sciences, humanities, and art.


Great. Too bad it is more than just entertainment. So what you just stated was that you are too lazy (or lack the knowledge) to understand what makes manga and anime so entertaining. Anime, for instance, is based off of film. Film can be analyzed in terms of editing, mise-en-scene, and montage. Manga is more related to pop art.


Here you try to wave your graduate degree in interior design like it means anything. You've just proven that the education system often fails many individuals. Your opinion is nothing more than your opinion just like mine. It has no more or less weight. But when you try to debate about facts in regards to social sciences or humanities, that is not your opinion. That is your uneducated sense of self stating what you believe is correct as opposed to what is actually correct. The difference is that the latter actually has credentials and a few hundred years worth of research under its belt to substantiate its opinion as widely accepted fact where you have nothing but steam.

ON TOPIC and ignoring the OFF TOPIC, SPAM RANT noob

@Fu yeah, Tou, a member or two from the ole'Crew, I think you as well and myself spoke about the characters a real great deal in the past, specifically and especially, how they are all perfect text book cases of psych profiles and personalities. For example, how PerkyT's personality is a good example of chics that are abused and/or molested in childhood as well as having some type of severe "loss trauma". So it does seem apparent that characters were created or thought of, before a story was constructed around them. As well as the fact that most of the character profiles and personalities were very apparent from the start. Oh yeah, K-Man, about him saying the characters came first, in some interview, I think it was, he mentioned wanting to be a clothes designer, that's why a lot of the characters have really cool outfits, but he also tries a great deal to express their personalities and traits with their outfits. LOL! 

I also liked that "faucet", analogy. LOL!
Oh yeah, Tou, I was sooooo expecting the bitch, cat~fight! The pissing contest has been an ongoing theme as well as "dibbs" on battles! I can't wait to see that in the anime, I am sure that will be an outrageously funny scene, probably as good as the "douchebag" one. LOL!

Yammy's a real disappointment yet again, but before any of you reply and go off on him for sucking, I've got a few thoughts about him and his opponents that I'd like to share.

(There are quite a few events that could take place next. We still have a week, so I'll take my time updating this post and get back to you guys on this. Also, be sure to read my post in reply # 81 concerning the condition of Ichigo's reiatsu, once I have it finished later today.)